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the cia station chief in libya said it was a terror attack. now we found out this week, so did the deputy intelligence director for africom. here was his testimony. >> what we did know quite early on was this was a hostile action. this was no demonstration gone terribly awry. >> senator ayotte, why do you think it is the cia, the state department, and the white house ignored their people on the ground when they said this was not a terror attack? >> because the white house is pushing a political explanation leading up to an election. the president had been saying al qaeda was on the run. they were trying to push a narrative of strength in foreign policy. this did not fit their narrative. this is actually an indication of a broader failure of foreign policy. the light footprint policy. in fact, we know also that secretary dempsey -- excuse me secretary panetta and secretary dempsey knew right away it was a terror attack. that was not pushed by the administration. they were trying to push this spontaneous reaction that was out of their control. t
the cia station chief in libya said it was a terror attack. now we found out this week, so did the deputy intelligence director for africom. here was his testimony. >> what we did know quite early on was this was a hostile action. this was no demonstration gone terribly awry. >> senator ayotte, why do you think it is the cia, the state department, and the white house ignored their people on the ground when they said this was not a terror attack? >> because the white house is...
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. >> in libya a new prime minister was worn in after a vet and walk outs. businessmen have been asked to help out. today's vote is expected to be challenged by law habers. in india the largest elections are in a final week. it could play a significant role. we explain j. >> reporter: he's a self-made man, a property developer. he heads a construction company in mumbai. he's a follower of a branch of hindu faith. they recorded minority status making them the sixth official minority. joining muslims, christians, buddists and farrsies. they are given preferential treatment in business and commouption. financial lows are easier to access. this move by the government can be interpreted as one to attract votes. this would not sway anyone in the community. calls for the minority status have been ongoing, to protect the doctrine and community. there are vanadvantages. >> more people will go into education. the advantage will be that they'll be able to help people. everyone will be benefitting out of that. >> across the city another businessman and his wife though t
. >> in libya a new prime minister was worn in after a vet and walk outs. businessmen have been asked to help out. today's vote is expected to be challenged by law habers. in india the largest elections are in a final week. it could play a significant role. we explain j. >> reporter: he's a self-made man, a property developer. he heads a construction company in mumbai. he's a follower of a branch of hindu faith. they recorded minority status making them the sixth official minority....
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he has to win hearts and minds among libya's youth. he's courageous, but he has a lot of work ahead of him. >> if you look at the parliament blocs that have support him, does that give us any reason to hope he will be more successful in establishing the authority of the state and disarming militias? >> not immediately. he has two weeks to form a cabinet and two weeks is enough time for many political blocs to either change their mind and look for other candidates, so unless he can try to work inside and be inclusive, then i think he has a good chance and as tripoli resident he has a good chance to win his place back in the center of governance in tripoli and find his place back in the capital. he's a good choice on the table. yes, i think he's got a pretty good chance. >> what's happened to the political transition in that whole process? now we're talking about whether a prime minister can hold onto power rather than a new constitution, the constituent assembly and so on? >> well, it's the constituent assembly and constitution are inte
he has to win hearts and minds among libya's youth. he's courageous, but he has a lot of work ahead of him. >> if you look at the parliament blocs that have support him, does that give us any reason to hope he will be more successful in establishing the authority of the state and disarming militias? >> not immediately. he has two weeks to form a cabinet and two weeks is enough time for many political blocs to either change their mind and look for other candidates, so unless he can...
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to try to find a way out of this conundrum but this is not like libya there's a large base of loyal syrian military and we have a long ways to go in this struggle and there's no easy answer but dr post you. you mentioned it earlier about saddam hussein and more market off and i think we also can see that in the now a declassified political profile of idol hitler it's all those leaders had a very strong south identification of that country. there was this famous quote saddam is iraq iraq is saddam but when you look at bashar al assad he always makes a point about stressing the limits of his authority he always stresses in his interviews that he doesn't own the country and yet. these protests of him as these to rally collegiate or who controls everything in syria is very persistent it seems that the american policy makers and the western media in general a very bent on presenting him as a tyrant no matter what. i don't see him in the manner in which you're characterizing him and i wouldn't touch people generically in the west in fact as i pointed out in that paragraph and as you emphasized i
to try to find a way out of this conundrum but this is not like libya there's a large base of loyal syrian military and we have a long ways to go in this struggle and there's no easy answer but dr post you. you mentioned it earlier about saddam hussein and more market off and i think we also can see that in the now a declassified political profile of idol hitler it's all those leaders had a very strong south identification of that country. there was this famous quote saddam is iraq iraq is...
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we saw those crisis in egypt and libya, benghazi, in tunisia, and the drama of syria unfolding, and this book is explaining why these crisis are unfolding, answering questions that the reader, the lawmakers, and the public opinion immediate to know about. >> can we right the course on some of these things, whether it's syria, libya, egypt? are there measures that could now stem the tide there, turn the tide? >> well, first of all, we need to understand what the foreign policy has done, and, therefore, we need to hang it. we cannot solve these crisis with the same policy. number one, we have allied ourselves with the wrong factions after or during the arab spring. with the muslim brotherhood in egypt and the jihadists, and in syria we have not acted on time. the two tracks that the administration took partnership with the brotherhood, opening up to the iranians basically led to the disaster that we see, but there is an alternative if the administration decides to change course. >> what would that be? i know it's not easy to choose a horse in these races? there's conflicting allegiances. >
we saw those crisis in egypt and libya, benghazi, in tunisia, and the drama of syria unfolding, and this book is explaining why these crisis are unfolding, answering questions that the reader, the lawmakers, and the public opinion immediate to know about. >> can we right the course on some of these things, whether it's syria, libya, egypt? are there measures that could now stem the tide there, turn the tide? >> well, first of all, we need to understand what the foreign policy has...
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the factors make libya a concern. 30 miles from the libya border, which had multiple links to libya, including training. despite the superb execution of the intervention, this created a much more complicated regional dynamic for the u.s. senate and helped jihadist groups and has had negative consequences for libya's neighbors. it is not clear the intervention saved lives. some scholars argue that the fact the nato intervention prolonged the war meant that it cost more lives than it safe. -- saves. even if it saves more lives than libya, further lives were lost as a result. this is why i cannot join with those who proclaim nato's intervention to be a strategic success. i appreciate the opportunity to testify and i look forward to answering your questions. >> thank you. chairman, ranking member cummings, committee members, i am grateful for the opportunity to speak with you about libya's security crisis and what the international community can do to assist. i bring the perspective of both a scholar who travels frequently to the country and a military officer who served in tripoli prior
the factors make libya a concern. 30 miles from the libya border, which had multiple links to libya, including training. despite the superb execution of the intervention, this created a much more complicated regional dynamic for the u.s. senate and helped jihadist groups and has had negative consequences for libya's neighbors. it is not clear the intervention saved lives. some scholars argue that the fact the nato intervention prolonged the war meant that it cost more lives than it safe. --...
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was that i know that from my personal experience because i was on the ground in libya back in february and march of two thousand and eleven and i know that up until his ouster his government was paying salaries to police officers to doctors to teach very same been guys have been gaza that was already overtaken by protesters and they even took special measures. provides residents have been gazi with antiretroviral drugs reach doesn't really is credited for me with this portrayal of him as a ruthless lunatic i wouldn't see him as a ruthless lunatic i mentioned use a borderline person personality who is usually above the border but could have exaggerated decision making when he was either happy with success or when he was failing and under grass of pressure that's when his decision making became distorted and now i think there is some commonality in the way these. authoritarian leaders are perpetrated in the west and specifically by american policy makers and they're usually portrayed as you know these madman the cruel irrational are you sad are aware that saddam hussein was called the ma
was that i know that from my personal experience because i was on the ground in libya back in february and march of two thousand and eleven and i know that up until his ouster his government was paying salaries to police officers to doctors to teach very same been guys have been gaza that was already overtaken by protesters and they even took special measures. provides residents have been gazi with antiretroviral drugs reach doesn't really is credited for me with this portrayal of him as a...
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the western border, the turmoil in libya. the situation in the sudan is problematic. the palestinian conflict. the nightmare in syria. you have sectarianism. all of this. the emergence of terrorism began in the region in high numbers. that is alarming. but i can't simply say it is too difficult. i can't use them, i can't say i have an excuse not to give it the best effort. because i know your system. my approach is if i feel you are not getting the message, i am going to explain it. if you don't want to listen, i will tell you what i am going to do because i believe we share the common goal at the end of the day. >> this is the largest mass sentencing in egypt's history. >> i assume so. it has not actually happened. they asked for their opinion, can i apply the death sentence to these men? he said only to those incriminated in the act of murder. >> how many of those have been directly incriminated in the act of murder? >> 37. the attorney general appealed it. so we will see. >> will it be 37? >> i assume so. >> the spiritual leader is accused of murder? >> look, i can
the western border, the turmoil in libya. the situation in the sudan is problematic. the palestinian conflict. the nightmare in syria. you have sectarianism. all of this. the emergence of terrorism began in the region in high numbers. that is alarming. but i can't simply say it is too difficult. i can't use them, i can't say i have an excuse not to give it the best effort. because i know your system. my approach is if i feel you are not getting the message, i am going to explain it. if you...
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the elephants are a symbol of the subratans from libya. efficient transport and specialization brought ostia's economy to a high level of complexity, and surely had a profound effect on people's lives and the character of their city. that effect can be easily seen today in a living city, a city like fez, morocco. archaeologists have come to fez because the same high degree of specialization suggested by the ruins of ostia can be seen here in the flesh. the population and density of the old city of fez has remained the same since the 10th century. archaeologist david webster. the old city of fez had about 120,000 people for its total population. this would have been an equivalent of a population density of tens of thousands of people per square mile. now, the only reason why that was possible, especially in a nonindustrial context, was that you had a very effective agricultural environment around fez within, say, 15 or 20 miles radius. but you also had very effective forms of nonhuman transport -- donkeys, camels, horses, mules -- that coul
the elephants are a symbol of the subratans from libya. efficient transport and specialization brought ostia's economy to a high level of complexity, and surely had a profound effect on people's lives and the character of their city. that effect can be easily seen today in a living city, a city like fez, morocco. archaeologists have come to fez because the same high degree of specialization suggested by the ruins of ostia can be seen here in the flesh. the population and density of the old city...
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and effectively supporting a murderous army and a stable militarized is good for to reassure israel libya was the closest that the americans you know intervened in fact and he has led to now a very controversial intervention in a country now ruled by militias which is which are destabilizing not only and threatening. libyan. lives but also lives in other countries in the region and as far as the middle east peace process is concerned than sample palestinian territories are still very much under israeli occupation occupation goals are is more than ever an open air prison and indeed america is not firm at all about you know freezing the settlements illegal settlements which are the major stumbling block to finding a peaceful solution and let's not forget that a peaceful. settlement of the middle east process and the resolution of these really palestinian company is also a guarantee for stability and peace in the whole of the region you know job we have done so far over the last few years to go essentially nowhere it would seem. but it is quite right and i think both of what joshua said is c
and effectively supporting a murderous army and a stable militarized is good for to reassure israel libya was the closest that the americans you know intervened in fact and he has led to now a very controversial intervention in a country now ruled by militias which is which are destabilizing not only and threatening. libyan. lives but also lives in other countries in the region and as far as the middle east peace process is concerned than sample palestinian territories are still very much under...
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i would add, seeing syria and seeing part of it in libya doesn't allow us to sleep at night. >> charlie: you were going to mention the april 6 movement in terms of the people we thought were the good guys. why are they under attack? >> the tensions on the street raises questions about what motivations are, this and that. we have arguments about this every day that are -- and we become not like you but, i mean, in the same trend a litigious society. people raise id in the courts and then you have this whole process. i concur the next egyptian president will have to bring people together politically over anand above. >> charlie: what are you worried about most? >> time. >> charlie: you don't have time to do what's necessary? >> mm-hmm. i have children and grandchildren. i want to leave them a democratic state, and we don't have that much time to do it. we also face -- as we try to do that, the people i mentioned of the society, people in the street, you mentioned the poverty issues, i need to grow, charlie, 10% a year for the next ten years. i can't depend on the next leader. i can't grow
i would add, seeing syria and seeing part of it in libya doesn't allow us to sleep at night. >> charlie: you were going to mention the april 6 movement in terms of the people we thought were the good guys. why are they under attack? >> the tensions on the street raises questions about what motivations are, this and that. we have arguments about this every day that are -- and we become not like you but, i mean, in the same trend a litigious society. people raise id in the courts and...
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. >>> in eastern libya, rebels have tried to storm the headquarters in benghazi after five people were killed. >>> time to look around the world at what the weather is like where you were, beginning in africa, i think everton? >> yeah, that's right. it's looking pretty good in africa. north africa you can see very little significant cloud out there. just fair-weather cloud. so northeastern parts of algeria you might see one or two showers as you go into the weekend. but that aside, it looks warm, dry, and sunny. heating up in cairo, could touch 40 celsius here. hot and dry pretty much sums it up elsewhere. we have our seasonal rains rumbling away here, running across central africa. we have seen very heavy rain in nigeria. around 55 millimeters. 92 millimeters of rain here in the space of 24 hours as well. those heavy showers will continue across west africa, through ghana, pushing across into southern nigeria. little change as we go through the weekend. out further south it is the dry seen for southern africa. temperatures in johannesberg are 22 stephen. >> thank you. >>> the trial of
. >>> in eastern libya, rebels have tried to storm the headquarters in benghazi after five people were killed. >>> time to look around the world at what the weather is like where you were, beginning in africa, i think everton? >> yeah, that's right. it's looking pretty good in africa. north africa you can see very little significant cloud out there. just fair-weather cloud. so northeastern parts of algeria you might see one or two showers as you go into the weekend. but...
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when i was covering the conflict in libya i came to see the journalists are just not reporting the news, they are truth seekers. imagine for a moment what would happen if we stopped working with courage. if we abandoned our integrity and gave up independence and freedom, it would leave the world a far more ignorant place with dictators free to take advantage and flurish. i learned my profession with the japanese and the highest expression of gratitude is bow so i want to bow for free press and end to our detention. >> let's bring in the international federation of journalist and a former spokesman for the international criminal court and is live from brussels tell us why world press day or press freedom day is so important. >> it's very important because as you just heard we are far from achieving that kind of idea in the real world. we have many colleagues who are behind jail like in egypt but also elsewhere like in turkey and other places. and so this is an occasion for us to rally around our profession and to call again on the government to respect the right of journalists to go abou
when i was covering the conflict in libya i came to see the journalists are just not reporting the news, they are truth seekers. imagine for a moment what would happen if we stopped working with courage. if we abandoned our integrity and gave up independence and freedom, it would leave the world a far more ignorant place with dictators free to take advantage and flurish. i learned my profession with the japanese and the highest expression of gratitude is bow so i want to bow for free press and...
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this is the nature of libya right now. these militias consider themselves the army -- >> did you vet -- >> this is the challenge we have in this country. there was the central army -- >> so we would try to normalize the security situation. the red cross has been run out. we reduce the number of gun toters and increased local militias that we could not vet? >> it is highly risky. traveling to libya, you can feel relatively safe because these militias provide a neighborhood watch program. many of them are filling the void of the security forces. we need to look at how we use the word "militia" carefully because these are the security forces. >> two years ago it was not normal in a situation, it was more dramatic, no way to vet people, and we have reduced the number of folks who have provided security and increased the people who were watching the front door, and it was clear they were walking away from the front door and we had sharia walk-through and the attack was on. let me take a recess. we will move toward vote and come
this is the nature of libya right now. these militias consider themselves the army -- >> did you vet -- >> this is the challenge we have in this country. there was the central army -- >> so we would try to normalize the security situation. the red cross has been run out. we reduce the number of gun toters and increased local militias that we could not vet? >> it is highly risky. traveling to libya, you can feel relatively safe because these militias provide a...
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the factors make libya a concern. 30 miles from the libya border, which have multiple links to libya, including training. despite the superb execution of nato's intervention, this created a complicated regional dynamic for the u.s. senate helped jihadist groups and has had negative consequences for libya's neighbors. it is not clear the intervention saved lives. some scholars argue that the fact the nato intervention prolonged the war meant that it cost more lives than it safe. even if it saves more lives than libya, further lives were lost as a result. this is why i cannot join with those who reclaim nato's intervention to be a strategic success. i appreciate the opportunity to testify and i look forward to answering your questions. >> thank you. chairman, ranking member cummings, committee members, i am grateful for the opportunity to speak with you about libya's security crisis and what the international community can do to assist. i bring the perspective of both a scholar who travels frequently to the country and a military officer who served in tripoli prior to the revolution. i
the factors make libya a concern. 30 miles from the libya border, which have multiple links to libya, including training. despite the superb execution of nato's intervention, this created a complicated regional dynamic for the u.s. senate helped jihadist groups and has had negative consequences for libya's neighbors. it is not clear the intervention saved lives. some scholars argue that the fact the nato intervention prolonged the war meant that it cost more lives than it safe. even if it saves...
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libya is writing a constitution. they held elections in 2012 that, by all accounts, were relatively transparent and fair. they remain very pro-american, which has been contrasted to many other countries in the region. >> i want to thank all four of you for your testimony. it is very enlightening. it is a contribution to what has been a conversation about a tragedy in libya. thank you very much. >> thank you. for what purpose does the german from florida receipt -- seek recognition? >> along with 60 members, this letter was sent to the president saying it was a year now since the benghazi attacks. not to be done to bring these people to justice and asking for the ministration to act. >> without objection, so ordered. the gentleman from utah is recognized for five minutes. >> thank you and thank you all for being here. thank you for the service of your country in general. god bless you. thank you for your service over 33 years. on september 11, 2012, what was your ranking title? >> i served as the deputy director for i
libya is writing a constitution. they held elections in 2012 that, by all accounts, were relatively transparent and fair. they remain very pro-american, which has been contrasted to many other countries in the region. >> i want to thank all four of you for your testimony. it is very enlightening. it is a contribution to what has been a conversation about a tragedy in libya. thank you very much. >> thank you. for what purpose does the german from florida receipt -- seek recognition?...
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president, 19 months ago, a terrible thing happened in benghazi, libya. four brave americans were murdered, and the issue has never been not only resolved but as each of the last 19 months has ensued, the issue of how and under what circumstances this heinous crime was committed continues, and the senator from south carolina and i, the senator from new hampshire and some others have vowed we will never give up on this issue until the truth is known and the people who perpetrated it are brought to justice. we have seen another page turn in this chapter of cover-up and obfuscation by this administration by the belated 19 months later release of the following emails. first one we will not pay much attention to. this is from the benjamin rhodes, who is supposed to be the public relations -- public affairs office for the national security council. in fact, he is obviously the propaganda organ. the purpose, the goals as he states them to underscore that these protests are rooted in an internet video and not a broader failure of policy. i tell my colleagues that
president, 19 months ago, a terrible thing happened in benghazi, libya. four brave americans were murdered, and the issue has never been not only resolved but as each of the last 19 months has ensued, the issue of how and under what circumstances this heinous crime was committed continues, and the senator from south carolina and i, the senator from new hampshire and some others have vowed we will never give up on this issue until the truth is known and the people who perpetrated it are brought...
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intervention in libya. the oversight committee's mission statement is that we fundamentalure two principles. first, americans have a right to know that the money washington takes from them is well spent, and, second, americans deserve an efficient, effective government that works for them. our solemn responsibility is to hold government accountable to taxpayers. work inr job to partnership with citizen watchdogs to deliver the fax to the american people and bring reform to the federal bureaucracy. this is our mission. today the oversight committee convenes a fourth hearing related to the security situation in libya before, during, and after the september 11 terrorist attack which claimed the lives of four americans. the committee has previously brought forward important witnesses who offered new and likening testimony on security failures that forced the administration to walk back false claims about the nature of the terrorist attack. witnessesof previous thetified key questions in inner agency process tha
intervention in libya. the oversight committee's mission statement is that we fundamentalure two principles. first, americans have a right to know that the money washington takes from them is well spent, and, second, americans deserve an efficient, effective government that works for them. our solemn responsibility is to hold government accountable to taxpayers. work inr job to partnership with citizen watchdogs to deliver the fax to the american people and bring reform to the federal...
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today libya is at a crossroads. open a us in paper and you will read about violence in a country awash in a country with a central government that has not consolidated its control or the country. the libyan people continue to look to the west with respect and with hope. they are aspire to work with the united states to build a stable pro-democratic country. we want the people of libya to succeed. we must find a way to reengage the world and ourselves on behalf of a nation that desires our help. this was the bipartisan goal shared by republicans like lindsey graham and downmccain who called on the united states and i quote, to build a parentship with a democratic and pro-american libya that contributes to security, prosperity across a region during a time of revolutionary change. end of quote. i hope a is a step toward this goal. i look forward to hearing from our witnesses about how we can assist the people of libya and with that mr. chairman i yield. >> i thank the gentleman. all members may have 7 days in which to
today libya is at a crossroads. open a us in paper and you will read about violence in a country awash in a country with a central government that has not consolidated its control or the country. the libyan people continue to look to the west with respect and with hope. they are aspire to work with the united states to build a stable pro-democratic country. we want the people of libya to succeed. we must find a way to reengage the world and ourselves on behalf of a nation that desires our help....
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. >> we had a guest here who complained that when we saw similar images in libya and ukraine, members of the senate took to the floor and demanded action, but when it was south sudan, silence. your reaction. >> well, i can see where that argument comes from. i think a lot of people are very frustrated, policy makers around the globe, as to how to get to these two leaders, the president and former president, and how to change their calculations. i don't think some sort of international intervention is on the table here, but there really is a good deal of attention that's going to this. it's not so much why don't people care, it's how can we change their behavior and so far, we're coming up empty. >> how will john kerry's presence at the peace talks be received given the recent threat of u.s. sanctions? >> i think the symbolism of his direct involvement is going to be a good thing, and i suspect there may be conversations about those sanctions and how they can be most impactful. a lot depends on the region, on neighboring countries. it's good to hear secretary kerry is meeting with thei
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rights group documented how two people sentenced to death for this august 14 riot were actually in libya at the time. so, this really does not satisfy even the basic requirements of due process, and, of course, this is the same judge who last month sentenced to 529 people to death. on that same day, the other day, he commuted all but 37 of those death sentences. that is still a very high number for egypt and law. if we want to make a comparison, following the assassination of 1981,yptian president in 5 people were sentenced to death . >> let's bring in mohamed sudan, foreign relations secretary of the vitamin justice party the , political wing of the muslim brotherhood. could you explain the response of the muslim brotherhood to this verdict? to assure allnt of what was just said, but added one thing from my perspective about what went on in court. it is not all one judge. judges.ree judges are three under pressure from egyptian intelligence to issue verdicts, unbelievable verdict. no one can believe it. the judges, they are supreme judges, they are not young judges. number one, they rel
rights group documented how two people sentenced to death for this august 14 riot were actually in libya at the time. so, this really does not satisfy even the basic requirements of due process, and, of course, this is the same judge who last month sentenced to 529 people to death. on that same day, the other day, he commuted all but 37 of those death sentences. that is still a very high number for egypt and law. if we want to make a comparison, following the assassination of 1981,yptian...
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they come to the sites with four wheel drives with very technological weapons coming from libya so often the guards cannot use them in front of them and they know where to exactly to excavate. the other people are the regular villagers. usually young youth and children are sent by a local person to find objects and they give them money in turn of these objects. >> brown: in february, egyptian tourism police announced they'd broken up a major smuggling ring, recovering thousands of stolen objects. but it remains a pervasive problem. >> ( translated ): we have apprehended tens of people with digging equipment. maybe, on a daily basis, there are at least seven to ten cases of illicit excavation. >> brown: last month egypt's antiquities minister asked the obama administration to impose emergency restrictions on the importation of ancient artifacts. those would allow u.s. customs officials to seize objects that lack official documentation. the u.s. state department says it's open to the idea, but the formal request will take time to submit and approve. but hanna says a global effort is needed
they come to the sites with four wheel drives with very technological weapons coming from libya so often the guards cannot use them in front of them and they know where to exactly to excavate. the other people are the regular villagers. usually young youth and children are sent by a local person to find objects and they give them money in turn of these objects. >> brown: in february, egyptian tourism police announced they'd broken up a major smuggling ring, recovering thousands of stolen...
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about the arab spring and you were criticized for your reservations now when we look what happened in libya what is happening in syria what is happening in egypt do you think that reality here has actually turned out even more water some than some of your concerns both to my message is very bid. to open life i own his own people. is an example of free lead do defy the whole world use whatever he has against his own. even. in the end the use of chemical. save him for being bow to the hague mr barak i think you know better than i do that there are still disagreements about who actually use those chemical arsenals there is. disagreement . and certain kind of uncertainty but intelligence services. people know that well i think in one capital mosco there are there are grave doubts about that but israel is one country that has always taken its security extremely seriously and you never shied away from defining it. absolutely we have to take. sincerely when president assad was faced with what's been. now nor was it a threat of terrorism what either way you can have at his disposal surely nobody wa
about the arab spring and you were criticized for your reservations now when we look what happened in libya what is happening in syria what is happening in egypt do you think that reality here has actually turned out even more water some than some of your concerns both to my message is very bid. to open life i own his own people. is an example of free lead do defy the whole world use whatever he has against his own. even. in the end the use of chemical. save him for being bow to the hague mr...